Buyers and sellers get on the same page
While property values down, pricing is no longer high-stakes game of roulette October 01, 2009 07:00AM By Candace Taylor
Zhann Jochinke, an associate broker at Argo Residential, put an
alcove studio on the market last year for $525,000. But the offers that
came in were as low as $390,000.
"People were putting bids out there just to see if the person had to sell," he recalled.
More recently, however, he convinced the seller to drop the price to around $490,000.
Offers began coming in at "5 percent or less off the asking price," he
said. Now, the listing is in contract, and expected to close in the
next month.
After months of uncertainty, Manhattan buyers and sellers are finally
making a market. In the terrifying period after the Lehman Brothers
crisis, so few properties were sold that pricing an apartment became a
game of roulette. Buyers, too, were unsure what a property would trade
for, and their offers were all over the map.
Plummeting prices made matters worse.
"Earlier in the year, recent comps were being considered, and then 10,
15, 20 percent was being subtracted to set a reasonable asking price,"
Jochinke said. "It wasn't uncommon, even at these prices, that offers
would still come in well under ask."
But thanks to the uptick in activity that started in the spring and has
carried over into fall, a new batch of closed sales is providing much
more accurate information, allowing both buyers and sellers to get a
clearer understanding of how much their properties are worth.
"We are able to list a property today at a number very similar to one that closed in the past couple of months," Jochinke said.
As a result, Antonio del Rosario, the president and co-owner of A.C.
Lawrence, said he's now seeing accepted offers come in within 2 percent
of the asking price, or "many times, at the asking price," he said,
adding, "I'm seeing a lot of sellers align with the market."
A nearby example is Bernie Madoff's five-bedroom mansion in Montauk,
which reportedly sold last month for more than its $8.75 million asking
price.
The shrinking gap between buyers' and sellers' expectations makes it
easier to put listings into contract, said Michael Garr, a senior vice
president at Core.
"There is a tremendous increase in competitive offers from savvy
buyers, which have resulted in more listings in contract," said Garr,
who recently held an open house for a two-bedroom co-op at 105 West
13th Street in Greenwich Village that attracted 21 people. "Five months
ago, I would have had half that number," he said.
Make no mistake: these deals are trading at lower prices than last
year. But properties that have languished on the market for months are
now beginning to move.
For example, last month, the Manhattan-based brokerage Marketing
Directors sold a three-bedroom penthouse at the Platinum at 247 West
46th Street, a listing that first went on the market in September 2008.
According to city records, the selling price was $5.8 million -- down
about 17 percent from the original asking price of $7 million.
"If both parties are realistic about the market, deals are being made," said Jacqueline Urgo, president of Marketing Directors.
As a result, inventory has not risen as precipitously as some had feared it might.
According to Jonathan Miller, the president of the appraisal firm
Miller Samuel, there were 8,535 homes on the market in Manhattan at the
end of August. That's 4 percent more than the same month last year.
However, it's 22 percent less than six months ago, when there were some 11,000 homes available for sale, he said.
"There is still a lot more on the market than there was two years ago,"
said Ric Swezey, a senior associate at the Corcoran Group, "but the
market has stabilized from this time last year, which has allowed some
of the inventory to be absorbed."
It's still anyone's guess how much prices will fall as the recession
continues. But brokers report that the steep drop-off in prices that
characterized the immediate post-Lehman aftermath seems to have stopped
-- for the time being, anyway -- giving buyers and sellers enough
breathing room to comfortably make purchases.
"I can confidently say pricing has finally stabilized," said del Rosario of A.C. Lawrence.
However, he cautioned, "I don't know how long it will last, since we
have yet to see unemployment rates reach a plateau. Until that part of
our economy has stabilized, I don't think the housing market in [New
York] or in any part of the country can stand on solid ground."
Experts agree with del Rosario that unemployment and other market
fundamentals remain weak, making a speedy return to the boom years --
and prices -- of the mid-2000s very unlikely.
Also, even as buyers exhibit renewed confidence and interest in real
estate, strict lending requirements are slowing the buying process.
"Our contracts and closings are up, but there is still no financing,"
said Marilyn Harra Kaye, president of MLBKaye International Realty,
adding that buyers have been asking, "When will the FICO [credit]
scores come down to get financing?"
The continued underlying market weakness is most evident in the
higher-end market, which has been particularly hard-hit by the lack of
available jumbo mortgages.
"The weakest part of the market continues to be homes priced above $2
million," said Steven McArdle, the principal of Urban Marketing.
"However, I'm seeing tremendous activity in homes priced at $1.5
million and below."
Also, on the very high end of the market, some listings are beginning
to change hands, or at least generate new interest (see "Trophy listings at lower prices"). Early last month, news broke that a townhouse at 165 East 70th was
sold in August for $13.5 million to John Mack, the CEO of Morgan
Stanley.
The rental market is exhibiting similar trends, with activity greater
than it was in the immediate aftermath of Lehman's collapse.
In its first-ever peak-season rental report, released late last month,
Citi Habitats found that average rents across Manhattan -- excluding
incentives -- dropped by more than 8 percent between May and August
2009, compared to the same four months in 2008. Studio apartments and
two-bedroom apartments showed the steepest drop, at 11 percent.
Another rental report, prepared by the brokerage TDG/TREGNY, found that
rents for all categories of apartments had dropped between 6 and 10
percent from September 2008 to last month.
"While activity has increased, the numbers have not shown significant
improvement," the report said. "Rents have stabilized, but at levels
nearly 10 percent back from already depressed 2008 numbers.
"And although vacancies showed improvement this month, they have yet to
establish the trend necessary to absorb the considerable amount of
excess inventory that is continuing to depress the market."
Overall, brokers are breathing a sigh of relief, as business appears to
be getting somewhat back to normal. But they acknowledge the market is
not out of the woods.
"The general sentiment is that we still have a long way to go, but any
future declines in the market will be slower and less of a free fall,"
said Kristin Hitsous, an associate attorney at real estate law firm
Rosabianca & Associates.
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Comments
Anonymous
So in other words, the sellers have finally realized that the prices have come down. Brilliant.
Comment #1 Posted By: Anonymous 10/02/09
Mike J
Will these be junk bonds? Who will the ratings agencies rate them? Bsides the Nets, there are no tenants. Brooklyn just can't attract significant office tenants. It's transportation linkages are poor and congested. And there is currently a glut of rental housing coming on line in Bk.
Comment #2 Posted By: Mike J 10/02/09
Anonymous
the calm before the storm. the storm - plummeting commercial real estate values, a diminished impact of the govt's fiscal and monetary stimuli, rising interest rates, a torrent of option ARMs coming due in 2010 and 2011. this isn't over by a long shot! JMHO
Comment #3 Posted By: Anonymous 10/04/09
Anonymous
Sellers are always behind the market. It's the brokers who overprice them to get the listings. Brokers are liars. Very few are actually competent.
Comment #4 Posted By: Anonymous 10/05/09
Anonymous
Like it says, until unemployment decreases prices will keep going down even in NYC. The bottom is not here yet. I just bought for 35% below the asking price in Midtown!
Comment #5 Posted By: Anonymous 10/05/09
Anonymous
I'm an agent at AC Lawrence and we just got a contract signed for $1.65M! There were 4 other bidders and the property went for the asking price. It wasn't easy to get an accepted offer since both the buyer and the seller were very cautious.
Comment #6 Posted By: Anonymous 10/05/09
Anonymous
I work at Corcoran. I had the highest number of contracts in September than last year. Almost all at the asking price or within 3%. I worked my butt off but it was worth it.
Comment #7 Posted By: Anonymous 10/05/09
Anonymous
You're still overpaying if you buy in this market.
Comment #8 Posted By: Anonymous 10/05/09
Anonymous
I'm not overpaying since I got the lowest interest rate ever. When interest rates go up, I will end up paying more monthly if I wait. I'm staying at my 2 bedroom at least 10 years. By that time my apartment will be at least twice the value.
Comment #9 Posted By: Anonymous 10/05/09
Anonymous
Don't wait to buy. Instead, buy and wait.
Comment #10 Posted By: Anonymous 10/05/09
Anonymous
#9 you hit the mail right on the head. Interest rates are incredible right now, purchasing does make great sense.
Comment #11 Posted By: Anonymous 10/06/09
Anonymous
nail NOT mail, sorry.
Comment #12 Posted By: Anonymous 10/06/09
Anonymous
You did hit the mail on the head since I'm paying my mortgage right now at less than 5% interest rate! That's the cheapest money I've ever borrowed. Rates will go up since banks can't make money on those terms.I put down 20% and I have 3 bedroom for under a million. When I retire in 20 years, I will sell my Upper East Side apartment for a million more. No rent stabilized apartment can beat that.
Comment #13 Posted By: Anonymous 10/06/09
Anonymous
Rent stabilization is a trap. Unless you buy something with what you're saving, you can never get rich renting stabilized or not.
Comment #14 Posted By: Anonymous 10/06/09
Anonymous
What about the theory that when interest rates skyrocket prices will fall because few people will be able to afford payments? The best idea is to horde cash for a large down payment? I've been waiting to enter the market for 10 years. Maybe I'll have to wait another five.
Comment #15 Posted By: Anonymous 10/14/09
Marilyn Harra Kaye
Have your bank bid for your banking and if they want it ask first if they are giving real estagte loans. It will help the economy, give jobs and curtail the recession. Just like an election, for my vote, real estate loans for my banking.Something to think about! Marilyn Harra Kaye, President. MLBKaye International Realty Inc
Comment #16 Posted By: Marilyn Harra Kaye 04/10/10
Marilyn Harra Kaye
Have your bank bid for your banking and if they want it ask first if they are giving real estagte loans. It will help the economy, give jobs and curtail the recession. Just like an election, for my vote, real estate loans for my banking.Something to think about! Marilyn Harra Kaye, President. MLBKaye International Realty Inc
Comment #17 Posted By: Marilyn Harra Kaye 04/10/10