Sharing signed contract info is subject of discussion at REBNY breakfast

November 03, 2009 06:00PM


Jacky Teplitzky of Prudential Douglas Elliman leads a REBNY discussion, "Pricing Property in a Changing Market"
Brokers heatedly discussed the pros and cons of sharing signed contract information at the Real Estate Board of New York's Lexington Avenue headquarters today.

Jacky Teplitzky, a managing director at Prudential Douglas Elliman, who led a discussion titled "Pricing Property in a Changing Market" as part of REBNY's monthly Breakfast Club series, advocated for the sharing of signed-contract information in the post-Lehman market, where frequent market fluctuations have made accurate pricing nearly impossible.

"The market is changing in such a rapid way that the only numbers we can use are contracts signed," she said. Closed sales data -- available months, or in the case of new development, years after a contract is signed -- often no longer reflects current market conditions, she said.

But other brokers said they don't feel comfortable disclosing signed contract data for fear it violates their responsibility to sellers, and it could be considered illegal if not handled correctly.

Neil Garfinkel, a partner at law firm Abrams Garfinkel Margolis Bergson who serves as residential counsel to REBNY, said that legally, a broker must get permission from both a buyer and seller before revealing contract information to other agents.

"Without permission, that information should not be shared," he said.

In the current tenuous real estate market, brokers have to work together to keep the market healthy, Teplitzky said. Since the financial crisis in September of 2008, she said, Manhattan prices have fallen between 20 to 30 percent. But agents didn't react quickly enough to the change in the market, she said, lowering prices only 5 to 10 percent in the first months after the Lehman collapse. Many brokers who wanted to chop prices more than that found their sellers wouldn't let them, because they saw that they'd be priced lower than everyone else.

As a result, she said, sales volume transactions plummeted, with some agents doing no deals for months.

"Brokers don't realize the damage we're all doing to the industry, together," she said, adding: "We should not have been in the situation we were in in 2008."

Around January of 2009, motivated sellers began dropping their prices, while supply dropped as others took their homes off the market. Finally, the number of transactions rose.

Still, there remains a disconnect in the residential real estate market, she said. Some buyers continue to make lowball offers, but sellers think they can now raise their prices again because of the heightened activity. This is worsened by the fact that some overpriced inventory from 2008 is still on the market.

To combat this and price correctly, she said, brokers need to find the most recent comps available -- and that means signed contracts from comparable units in the same building and neighborhood.

Finding this information isn't easy for the public or even the agents. Elliman and some other brokerages are now providing contract-signed data to their agents, and Teplitzky recommended that agents call each other and ask directly for contract-signed prices.

Many agents in the audience reacted strongly to this suggestion, however, responding that they don't feel comfortable revealing this information for fear that it might get leaked to the public.

One audience member said he felt disclosing price information could violate his fiduciary responsibility to the seller; another worried about what the co-op board would think if they heard the sales price through the grapevine before receiving a board package. Some sellers are simply more secretive about every aspect of the transaction than they have been in the past.

Teplitzky said sharing contract signed data for the purpose of pricing does not amount to disclosing it publicly, adding that some agents can be "a little narrow-minded" when it comes to sharing information.

Sharing the most up-to-date pricing is vitally important for the health of the market, she said.

"We don't understand the responsibility that is lying on our shoulders," Teplitzky said. "We can actively make or break a market."

It's common in the industry for agents to keep contract-signed numbers quiet, Kathy Braddock, a founding partner with real estate consultancy Braddock + Purcell and brokerage Charles Rutenberg Realty in New York, told The Real Deal by telephone.

"It's not something that people tend to disclose until [the closing,]" Braddock said.

The reason, she said, is because of the concern that a deal might fall apart.

"Most people are calling to find out where the benchmark is on price," she said. But "contract signed is not always the [best measure], because some of them don't close."

In order to price an apartment, Braddock said she uses "the next best thing" -- a recent closed sale --- and estimates what the price should be from there.

Garfinkel the attorney explained that disclosing contract information could hurt a seller's negotiating power if the deal doesn't go through -- a particularly likely occurrence in the current market.

"It's like knowing where the seller was living in terms of negotiating," he explained.

Once a listing has closed, however, it becomes public information, he said.

Some brokers at the REBNY event said they compromise by telling fellow agents the approximate price, or the percentage off the asking price.

Tags: Jacky Teplitzky REBNY abrams garfinkel margolis bergson braddock + purcell charles rutenberg realt kathy braddock neil garfinkel prudential douglas elliman real estate board of new york

Comments

Anonymous

Agreed...she is a very nasty person to work with...will never do so again. She thinks being a broker means she can act like a celeb...NOT. Jackie gives the business a bad name...so full of herself.

Comment #1 Posted By: Anonymous 11/04/09

Anonymous

Jacky did an amazing seminar. I work for another firm and that was the best REBNY seminar I have ever been to. Whether you like her or not, she caused a discussion that we need to deal with. Sharing information is crucial in our industry. Most brokers when I call them do but some don't. It needs to be standard without breaking the law or fiduciary duty. Most brokers just give me hint and I get it.

Comment #2 Posted By: Anonymous 11/04/09

Anonymous

Jacky is such a hypocrite... she never shares the contract signed price.

Comment #3 Posted By: Anonymous 11/04/09

Anonymous

Contract prices in co-ops are meaningless until you have board approval, since most closings occur withing 2 weeks of board approval this is really a meaningless topic wrt to co-ops. If a condo has a financing contingency, the contract price is meaningless until the mortgage has been issued, most condos will then close 30 to 60 days after the mortgage has been issued, so once again no big dealon the timing. The only area this is germane are the handful of non-contingent financing deals on condos. Contract prices are not disclosed for the simple reason someone else may want to pay much higher and therefore it is a breach of the listing broker's fiduciary duty to their client to disclose the price and you don't know the real eason why another broker is calling you for the information.

Comment #4 Posted By: Anonymous 11/04/09

Shaun Osher - CEO CORE

I am (and always have been) a big advocate for transparency. As long as we responsibly protect the interests of our clients and uphold our fiduciary responsibility as brokers, this is the best thing not only for our industry, but for the consumer.

Comment #5 Posted By: Shaun Osher - CEO CORE 11/04/09

Anonymous

Get rid of REBNY.....

Comment #6 Posted By: Anonymous 11/04/09

Anonymous

You can only protect the interests of your clients who are parties to a contract that has yet to be performed by not disclosing the terms of that contract until such time as the contract has been performed. Even then you can only disclose that which is required by law to be disclosed ( ie public recordings) unless your client expressly agrees otherwise. This is a ridiculous topic to have had a seminar on.

Comment #7 Posted By: Anonymous 11/04/09

Anonymous

#8..precisely, that is why REBNY needs to go away. Having a self promoting moron handle the breakfast series such as Ms. Teplitsky is just another reason why it is rather debatable at this juncture as to why REBNY exists anymore..oh yeah the fee.

Comment #8 Posted By: Anonymous 11/04/09

Anonymous

Doesn't the REBNY listing system provide closed data within days of a closing (sales price, days on market) to its members? It's required input on an MLS. While the contract pricing doesn't show up, under contracts are required input within a few days of the contract- most real estate agents are smart enough to cooperate with appraisers that need this under contract pricing- not sure about providing it to agents unknown.

Comment #9 Posted By: Anonymous 11/05/09

Anonymous

I know she treats her staff like crap and it's amazing considering she needs a translator when she speaks. Whatever, her so called group or team or whatever it's called will be a revolving door, typical Elliman.

Comment #10 Posted By: Anonymous 11/09/09

Susan White

Wow... amazing how all the nasty comments are being said by "anonymous" if you are so ballsy to make the comments, why not post your name… talk about hypocrites.

Comment #11 Posted By: Susan White 11/10/09

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