WA Condominiums: Luring more well-heeled buyers to Harlem
June 30, 2008 01:24PM
By Lisa Abramowicz
Brothers Trevor Whittingham, left, and David Atkinson are developing the WA Condominiums.
A new luxe development under construction on 130th Street and Seventh Avenue is testing how far into Harlem well-heeled buyers are willing to go — and how much they're willing to pay.
The project, which is called WA Condominiums, is a six-story boutique building replete with amenities like an indoor swimming pool and a rooftop running track, a high-tech conference room and an underground parking garage. It is slated to go on sale this fall, around the same time construction is scheduled to near completion.
While there are other new luxury buildings in Harlem, most notably 111 Central Park North, the new glass tower on the corner of Lenox Avenue, WA stands out because it is located farther from Central Park and from a subway station, and because it has unique amenities — namely, the pool and track, along with its Jacuzzi and sauna.
Indeed, the athletic facilities in the low-rise structure are the kinds of features more commonly found in more expensive Manhattan neighborhoods.
The condo's developers also have a unique story: They are two brothers who spent more than three decades in the neighborhood and have owned the land for years.
"You aren't going to find two black men who get a $16 million loan from a bank to develop a 35-unit building," said David Atkinson, who, along with his brother Trevor Whittingham, dreamed up the project and secured financing from Banco Popular. "We beat most of the odds. We didn't do this with a lot of smoke and mirrors."
In addition to the pool, the WA (which was named for Whittingham and Atkinson), will also have an indoor atrium, a 24-hour concierge service, an air-conditioned garage and a fitness center, which will be situated next to the pool on the building's top floor.
The 35 apartments will all have washers, dryers, dishwashers, granite countertops and marble-lined bathrooms. They will also have 10- to 13-foot-high ceilings and nine-foot-tall doors.
The building's modern design was brought to life by architect Marc B. Spector of the Spector Group, who is also working on revamping Long Island's dated Nassau Coliseum.
But skeptics say that while the amenities at the WA are going to be state-of-the-art, the brothers have set asking prices too high.
The development includes eight one-bedroom apartments, 17 two-bedrooms, two three-bedrooms, two duplexes and six studios.
The one-bedrooms are priced at $1,209 per square foot, and range in cost from $902,088 to $1.04 million. The priciest unit, which has three bedrooms and a wrap-around terrace on the top floor, will have an asking price of $2.31 million, or $1,657 per square foot.
By contrast, 111 Central Park North is selling units in the range of $1,000 per square foot (for a low-floor, three-bedroom, three-bath currently on the market) to $2,000 per square foot (for a 4,000-square-foot park view duplex penthouse, with 1,500 square feet of terraces, which sold in April).
"Their asking prices are quite healthy," said David Daniels, a senior associate salesman with Corcoran's Harlem office, of the WA.
Still, Daniels said, "I don't want to second-guess the developers' marketing strategy." He said that as a broker, he would have to see the building's apartments before assessing whether they were overpriced.
Compounding the fact that the prices are high for Harlem, especially north of 125th Street, sales are likely to begin before the rocky market steadies out.
So far in the current economic downturn, which began late last summer when the credit markets froze up due to the subprime mortgage debacle, prices at Harlem developments have stayed roughly flat.
Certainly, the building is asking for somewhat higher absolute prices than other upscale developments in the neighborhood.
For example, other two-bedroom apartments in the neighborhood typically sell for $750,000 to $895,000, said Belynda M'Baye, managing assistant and associate broker at Harlem Homes Realty.
"I feel like it's a challenging project because of its location," M'Baye said of WA.
In clear view from the WA's oversized windows, vaulted kitchen ceilings and doorman-attended lobby will be a large housing project, which may discourage prospective buyers, she said.
And although residents will have views of the George Washington Bridge, Yankee Stadium and City College from the roof, the building is situated a full six blocks from the 2 and 3 subway line at 125th Street.
That said, M'Baye called the development "beautiful," and said despite the high prices, the developers might be able to attract the buyers they need because they are "pioneers."
The developers of whom she speaks came up with the idea for the high-end development about four years ago, as they tried to figure out what to do with a plot of land on the northeast corner of 130th Street and Seventh Avenue.
Whittingham had purchased the plot in 1994, intending to use it as a parking lot for the Caribbean-American restaurant next door, which he owned. In a former life, the lot was home to row houses and a few mismatched commercial sites.
Now, 14 years later, the property does indeed have a parking lot — underground, beneath the rising luxury building. Construction workers poured the concrete foundation last September and construction started in earnest in November.
Atkinson said that 140 people have expressed interest in the structure so far, asking for information about the building's launch date and availability.
While he said he doesn't want to create a narrow definition of the buyer he envisions, he'd like to market to Asian and European investors, "because Europeans have an appreciation for Harlem." Also, he hopes "well-heeled people that grew up in this community" will find the development attractive.
He expects to start selling apartments when the building is over 90 percent completed, later this year.
He wants people to see the quality firsthand, so they can understand where their money is going.
"Years ago we could pre-sell," Atkinson said. Today, he added, "People want to see what they're investing in."
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Comments
It seems to me that there couldn't be a worse time for 2 novice developers to try to sell "luxury" homes in Harlem. I can't see where the buyers would be getting any value. Proximity to transportation is important; feeling safe in your neighborhood is important; getting more bang for your real estate buck is important. The individuals WA Condos is hoping to target would look to the UWS, UES, or the financial district before treking to Harlem. If they were building on CPN I would say they had a shot at acheiving their prices. But 130th & 6th? Over $1,200 / SF? Let's get serious. And by the way, Walter J. Edwards, Carlton Brown, and Steven C. Williams are three very smart, successful black men of Harlem who have been getting loans to build much larger developments than WA for many years. Trevor and David are not making history here.
Comment #1 Posted By: 07/02/08
I happen to know these two gentlemen and commend them for their hard work, endurance and committment to completing this project. Let us not subtract from them and what they are doing. And, furthermore, from what they are contibuting to our special and unique part of the universe that means to much and will forever evoke conversation and opinions. The previous comment, for example.
Comment #2 Posted By: 07/04/08
matt
I took a look at the WA website, www.wacondominiums.com This is one cool building. I will definately put a call in when the units go one sale.
Comment #3 Posted By: matt 07/05/08
K. Hall
I have done my research and the pricing of these units are reasonably priced and the location is definitely livable! I am elated to see two African Americans excel, and to also bring something so extraordinary to the Harlem neighborhood. Hopefully this will also inspire our young black, white or any race to one day invest in their own community...to take it to the next level the same way WA is!
Comment #4 Posted By: K. Hall 07/08/08
As to the first comment, yes location to transportation is important and as far as feeling safe, take a look at last years crime stats for the two harlem precincts, the 32nd and the 28th precincts. they both experience reductions in crime last year with the the 28th pct leading the CITY in overall crime reduction. They had a 21% reduction in crime. You can get any safer than number 1. All the best to these two gentlemen......The WA.
Comment #5 Posted By: 07/21/08
Anonymous
#4 - Just because an area has the largest reduction in crime still doesn't mean it is a safe area. Don't try and confuse the greatest reduction with the lowest crime rate.
Comment #6 Posted By: Anonymous 07/24/08
Thank you #5.
Comment #7 Posted By: 07/24/08
Mike J
I question the competence of the loan officier(s) at Banco Popular who approved their construction loan. The apts will never sell in this market for the prices they are asking. Aisian & European Investors as buyers? Do these guys understand the concept of a ROI. Residential RE in marginal locations (130th & Lenox is definitely marginal) has no appreciation potential. Rents don't support pricing at that level, and there is a lot of competing product coming online in Harlem. And why would you have AC in a garage? It's only going to drive up maintenance costs. Don't these guys know that green is in, waste is out. It's a flop in the making. Tune in next year to see how badly it flops.
Comment #8 Posted By: Mike J 07/24/08
Anonymous
Mike J, let's hear about the projects you're involved with. Its seem you spend a lot of time trying to discredit others. As per "Green" generally when you ventilate an area that houses machinery that can create polution i.e vehicles, the objective is to ventilate. Learn to Look pass the obvious! Asian and European we're the first to partisipate in the re-birth of Harlem. Mike, you are not from the area or have been blinded by enability. Mike J,seriously now, what have you done. Let us hear about U.....Oh by the way, "WA GROUP" keep up the good work, the Mike J of the world are going to be here watching with distain of progress until they find something worthy of them selve.
Comment #9 Posted By: Anonymous 07/27/08
Anonymous
#4 It looks like you spend alot of time on the "JOB" not doing your job. I'll bet you a "DONUT" you not a realestate investor and or work in the field I.E broker, construction worker,developer more like some one who on a desk assignment. GET BACK TO WORK!! Reguardless of which reduction the percentage represents its still on the side of safety which serve us ALL......Who confused?
Comment #10 Posted By: Anonymous 07/27/08
Phil
The fact is, the price is related to the CEILING HEIGHTS as well as the amenities. These are actual loft-ceiling heights rather than the nonsense most people seek to pass off as 'lofts'. If you drive, or are not a big fat fool, then the distance to the subway is actually irrelevant. If you can't walk up or down 5 blocks in a neighborhood of $1.5M to $2.5M brownstones and 15 big condo projects, then you should commit suicide IMMEDIATELY.
Comment #11 Posted By: Phil 07/28/08
Mike J
Let's discuss "Asian and European- we're the first to participate in the re-birth of Harlem." Whoever you are, you are delusional, or have no knowledge of history. Poor and middle class black folk stayed in Harlem through the bad years and never gave up on its potential. The white/european/ asian pioneer myth is a myth. Distance from the subway is irrelevant? Transportation linkages are highly important in maintaining and increasing property values. Why is the far east side (east Harlem, Yorkville) less expensive then the far west side -- distance from the subway. I am glad you Asian and European are willing to participate in the re-birth of Harlem. If you buy in at the crazy prices of today, maybe history will repeat itself as in the catostrohic Japanese investment in Rockefeller center. We sure suckered you then!
Comment #12 Posted By: Mike J 07/29/08
Anonymous
Mike you really need help, you're conflicted, it's clearly detailed in your writing. It's as if you applied for a job with the WA group and were rejected. Take a deep breath, you got passed up. Let it go. Just re-read what you wrote it will mirror back your intelligence or the lack there of. Unfortunetly this blog give you the audience your current position lacks. You've beat yourself off enough. "We sure suckered you then!" This statement tell alot about your lack of charactor.... Mike J,this medium is way beyond you, Concentrate on getting help. This response is not intended to feed your illness.
Comment #13 Posted By: Anonymous 07/29/08
Mike J
Anonymous 14 - You are right - I am too intelligent and knowledgeable for this blog. By stating a historical fact -- Mitsui or whoever it was who bought into Rock center got burnt, or my opinion, and that of most of my colleagues, - they got suckered - somehow reveals something about my character, is quite amusing. However, your ad hominem response is telling. As for this project, time will tell if it is a success, or it flounders due to misreading and mistiming of the market. My opinion is that it will not sell within 25% of the prices they are asking. I don't know the project's financials, so I can't comment on what financial benefits the developers will eventually receive. None of us has a crystal ball.
Comment #14 Posted By: Mike J 07/30/08
Thomas Lopez-Pierre
Atkinson and Trevor Whittingham are the future of Harlem real estate. LiveUptown.com is a Harlem based real estate marketing website. Thomas Lopez-Pierre Managing Member LiveUptown.com
Comment #15 Posted By: Thomas Lopez-Pierre 09/22/08
Mke J
Given the precipitous drop in the number of condo sales in Harlem, does anyone still doubt this project will be a flop? This project has no market. It won't sell and you can't rent it. I hope you guys got a non recourse loan, otherwise this project will likely send you to bankruptcy court or the poor house.
Comment #16 Posted By: Mke J 10/29/08