With new subway, massive eyesores
As long-awaited Second Avenue subway becomes a reality, Upper East Siders cringe at giant utility structures also planned November 30, 2009 10:30AM By Sarah Ryley

Renderings of the utility structure planned for outside the 96th Street station of the under-construction Second Avenue subway
But much to the dismay of some Upper East Siders, that ventilation system will be housed in permanent aboveground utility structures situated at each end of the stations, many as large as midsize apartment buildings, rising up to nine stories tall.
As part of its first phase of Second Avenue subway construction, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority is planning eight of these structures along a 34-block stretch of the Upper East Side.
Elected officials, apartment owners and architects who have seen renderings of these hulking mechanical cabinets argue that they will blight the residential avenue, depressing property values in their immediate vicinity.
The real estate implications of erecting these structures, which will also sink seven stories belowground, are already proving to be enormous.
Thirteen properties have been seized via eminent domain to make way for them, while 75 residents and business owners face eviction at an estimated cost of $10 million.
In addition, dozens of co-op owners could forever be left with bricked-up windows or blocked sunlight.
What's more, their utilitarian facades resemble "an improved parking garage," said Stanford Eckstut, founder of the Manhattan-based architecture firm EE & K, which co-designed ventilation towers for the PATH train in Greenwich Village in the 1990s.
"These are buildings that are going to last forever; they should be contributing to the street scene," he said. "They should not just be a wrapping to hide mechanical things."
Thomas Noble, who owns a co-op at 233 East 69th Street next to the largest of these proposed structures (it would fill two lots and rise nine stories), said that based on renderings the MTA has shared, "it's going to be a real detriment to the neighborhood."
Soft-footed negotiations
Some Upper East Side residents are wary of locking horns with the MTA, fearing that a protracted legal battle would delay or kill the subway project.
Instead -- through elected officials, civic groups and the law firm Herrick Feinstein -- they have attempted, with some success, to negotiate behind the scenes.
"People in the Upper East Side want this subway. When it's finished, all in all, it's going to be a great boon to the neighborhood," said Noble, who is also an architect. "I don't think it's in anyone's interest to have the process grind to a halt yet again."
The fact that the structures need to be built is nonnegotiable -- they are needed to house utilities, smoke evacuation systems and emergency exits, said MTA spokesman Kevin Ortiz, noting that sidewalk grates now violate the city's building code.
The architecture firms DMJM+Harris and Arup were chosen in 2001 through a competitive bidding process to design the entire subway, including the utility structures. Neither firm responded to requests for comment.
The first phase of the Second Avenue subway, expected to be finished around 2017, will extend the Q Train from 57th to 96th Street and create four new entrances with these utility structures at each end.
Since ultimately the subway is planned to stretch from 125th Street to Hanover Square in Lower Manhattan, the structures erected on the Upper East Side could set a precedent for what is built in other neighborhoods.
Noble, Eckstut and several others said the MTA should hold a design competition to improve their bland facades, which they argue will create "dead corners."
"I think aesthetics have to be part of the discussion here. These facilities serve a critical purpose for the subway, but there's no reason for them to be ugly," said City Councilman Dan Garodnick.
Already, the MTA has made a few concessions, including incorporating small-footprint retail, such as newsstands, in six of the eight planned structures.
Morphing larger
Originally, planners said these utility structures would replicate row houses.
The Final Environment Impact Statement (FEIS) for the project stated that the new ventilation structures "would typically be approximately the same size as a typical row house -- 25 feet wide, 75 feet deep, and four to five stories high, although some may be wider."
"They could be designed to appear like a neighborhood row house in height, scale, materials and colors," said the document, referring to a rendering of a four-story brick building with faux windows.
Somewhere along the line, however, the structures grew from five to, in one instance, 15 stories tall (although the height was later reduced). Their facades changed from chameleons with faux brownstone windows to tricolored behemoths. And the ventilation shafts were shifted from just the roofs and rear yards to entire street-facing walls.
Ortiz said the brick rendering was just an example, noting, "at that point we didn't even have a conceptual design."
He added that the size of the current design is consistent with what a private developer could build under zoning laws.
Richard Bass, a senior real estate analyst with Herrick Feinstein, has been working with property owners in 14 buildings along the first-phase stretch. He successfully negotiated on behalf of a co-op at 245 East 72nd Street to have the neighboring utility structure's height reduced to 75 feet from 150 feet.
Fortunately, Bass said the MTA has been generally open to negotiation. "I've found them reasonable, easy to work with. Sometimes we disagree, but for the most part we're both trying to facilitate a win-win scenario."
Noble's co-op board, which Herrick Feinstein also represents, is asking the MTA to push the planned neighboring ventilation structure back 10 feet to prevent 16 apartments from losing either their lot-line windows or sunlight.
While the MTA has a right to build up to the lot line, the 69th Street co-op's recourse could be that the planned structure is larger than what was approved in the FEIS.
Appraiser Jonathan Miller, president of the firm Miller Samuel, said the co-ops could stand to lose between 5 and 20 percent of their value -- the lower amount for apartments with already obstructed views that would lose even more sunlight, and the higher for those with clear views that would have their lot line windows bricked up.
"If you have compressors, buzzing … that to me would have a bigger impact than loss of light," said Miller.
Conversely, he said properties further east and away from the current subway could see their property values increase up to 15 percent because of better access to mass transportation.
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Comments
Anonymous
this must be some sort of sick joke
Comment #1 Posted By: Anonymous 11/30/09
Anonymous
No joke, just the way the city values individuals and their property. These structures are horrific, and will ruin these neighborhoods...who the H wants to live next to or within eyesight of these monsters? This subway is turning out to be a joke...just view the wonderful crowds at 86th and Lex. Third-World at its best...soon coming to Second Ave. Why not IMPROVE existing lines...and perhaps CLEAN the existing stations...try using power washers...I know this is unheard of in NYC, but I assure you, it will work!!! The existing stations are a disgrace to the city!!!! Fix what we have FIRST...before adding more fuel to the fire!!!
Comment #2 Posted By: Anonymous 11/30/09
Anonymous
Rome was built in less time!
Comment #3 Posted By: Anonymous 11/30/09
Anonymous
#2, you are a racist idiot. Maybe you are the proud owner of a coop unit with lot line windows? Maybe your brilliant broker never mentioned the threat to you? Maybe you should have gotten yourself a real broker rather than a quick buck artist? Just a guess. Regardless, you are an idiot. Go back to the Five Towns where you come from...
Comment #4 Posted By: Anonymous 11/30/09
Anonymous
They should have built a modern elevated rail transport system. It would have been quicker, cheaper and more serviceable than a 7-story underground system.
Comment #5 Posted By: Anonymous 11/30/09
Anonymous
Subway Stations can use more than a POWER Wash. Any wash will help!
Comment #6 Posted By: Anonymous 11/30/09
Anonymous
Subway Stations can use more than a POWER Wash. Any wash will help!
Comment #7 Posted By: Anonymous 11/30/09
Anonymous
These towers will match perfectly with the barren and boring landscape that is UES.
Comment #8 Posted By: Anonymous 11/30/09
Anonymous
Write to your elected officials! These monuments to color-coded fanaticism belong in Austin and Cheyenne, not Manhattan.
Comment #9 Posted By: Anonymous 11/30/09
Architect
With right design, these structures could become the focal point in the neighborhood.
Comment #10 Posted By: Architect 12/01/09
Public Transportation Advocate
It's ironic. Bloomberg just proposed a 2nd ave. bus/trolley lane. Where was this idea before the commitment to the subway?
Comment #11 Posted By: Public Transportation Advocate 12/01/09
Anonymous
Or with the wrong design, these structures will become the focal point of the neighborhood, in a bad way.
Comment #12 Posted By: Anonymous 12/01/09
Old New York
I grew up near Second Avenue in the sixties and seventies. I remember when the construction began when I was a teenager (I am 54 now). We used to joke that by the time the 2d Avenue Subway was finished we'd all have grown up and moved away (I did 28 years ago). Perhaps by the time these subway lines are completed there will be new technology that will eliminate the need for subways (or legs for that matter).
Comment #13 Posted By: Old New York 12/01/09
Anonymous
These are supposedly because sidewalk grates now violate the building code? How about an exemption for the emergency exits? And if not, put these structures mid-block, not at the corners! Exhaust vents should be placed in the middle of the street as they are in Europe. Cars don't care about vent noise or hot air. Fire Arup, hire a Spanish firm. They've doubled their metro infrastructure in the last 10 years and dealt with far more architecturally sensitive sites than the UES.
Comment #14 Posted By: Anonymous 12/02/09
Anonymous
Considering the number of huge buildings with no architectural aspirations, I doubt the impact of these structures will really be that great in the UES. But as this moves south towards the east village and LES, the impact would be enormous. At least we have 20 years to figure out a solution before then.
Comment #15 Posted By: Anonymous 12/02/09
Anonymous
Yeah, half the buildings look like boxes now anyway.
Comment #16 Posted By: Anonymous 12/07/09
Anonymous
I guess the NIMBYs came out of hiding today.
Comment #17 Posted By: Anonymous 01/07/10
West sider
Trolley tracks should have been run down 2nd ave. Cheaper, faster and trendy. While were at it install Trolleys cross town across every major Street. 125, 96th 72nd ETC...just sayin'!!!!!
Comment #18 Posted By: West sider 02/03/10