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LIC building blocks stabilized renters from their terraces

The Q41 building uses “Jurassic Park”-style fence on the affordable units

December 07, 2014 12:00PM

Q41 in Long Island City

Q41 in Long Island City

It’s no “Poor Door” but a luxury tower in Queens is putting up a fence.

Long Island City’s new Q41 building, which was bailed out by the city, is blocking the large terraces of a few affordable units, according to the New York Post.

Tenants claim that the building fears that tenants with smaller balconies will get jealous. But many renters, like Erin McFadzen, chose their apartment specifically because of the terrace.

McFadzen’s wrap-around terrace is now fenced off by what she calls a style 6-foot-high “Jurassic Park”-style wire barrier.

“We’re caged in,” McFadzen told The Post. “Every time someone comes over, I have to explain why the fence is there . . . and tell them we’re rent stabilized, like it’s a badge I have to wear,” she said. [NYP]Christopher Cameron

  • JEng

    Is she worried that her friends will resent her for being rent stabilized? I don’t understand the stigma other than not wanting others to know that you are in the minority of special renters in NYC. That or a spendthrift or a suspected secret trust fund baby who can afford to live in that building.

    The article cites that lower floors are being used for window cleaners and they don’t want to remove the barricade when the window cleaners are not using the space which might be legally advantageous so that that space can’t eventually be “claimed” by any tenants who put in a container garden or a lawn chairs or something – and that barricade is see-through in that it consists of horizontal wires, correct?

    Also, if you are out on that area collecting some tarp you left out there, what if the window washers drop a bucket on your head?

  • Marc

    Ms. McFadzen should be embarrassed to be living on the dole but I don’t blame her for taking the apartment. The Marxist rulers of NYC force this on all of us. May GD remove this vermin.

    • Deal Real

      This project was subisdized under Bloomberg, was he “marxist”. I hope if you are or become a property owner, you don’t collect the mortgage deduction tax.

      • Marc

        Bloomberg worked within the “system”. He decided he didn’t want to be the one to try and break the Socialist thuggery under the system.
        You really don’t make sense. I am speaking for free markets and much lower taxes and you don’t. simple as that.

        • Deal Real

          It was his administration that created that specific program that completed the project that the “free market” failed to complete. Go worship at the alter of Ayn Rand, fanatic.

          • Marc

            It’s not my fault you’re a communist. Go worship at the alter of Karl Marx, fanatic.

        • Andrew

          We’ve tried uninhibited free markets. It didn’t work. All free market proponents seem to forget this.

          It was called the Gilded Age. Lasted about, I don’t know, 50 years or so? Was characterized by constant crippling recessions, widespread poverty, continual violent relations between management and labor, and extraordinarily corrupt government. Its why socialism exists, because pure free markets did not work. So “speaking for free markets and lower taxes” isn’t necessarily a point in your favor. It just means you are willing to repeat the mistakes of the past.

  • MIKE B

    Now that is getting cheated

  • That looks like something a pair of wire cutters would fix.

  • Charles Dale

    Nothing wrong with being a rent stabilized tenant at all. There are people in the 3 buildings of the complex I live in that are rent stabilized. I have lived here (Rego Park Queens) for years and know elderly men and women, who live by themselves and only collect Social Security, around $1,200 a month and have a few thousand dollars in savings (around $3,000-$5,000) I have talked to them over the years and they are of modest means. Where would they live in any of the 5 boroughs where studio apartments are renting for $1,200 without rent stabilization and some are on SCRIE to. I read an article that says in Los Angeles, before rent stabilization laws were enacted, renters were getting rent increases 3, 4, 5 times A YEAR! On Google, I typed in median income for individual in New York City. The answer is $51,100. That is almost $1,000 a week gross. Let’s ay $4,000 a month. You should spend no more than 30% of your income on housing. 30% of $4,000 is $1,200. Where in any of the 5 boroughs can you get an apartment for $1,200 month rent? Some studio apt’s but not many since most buildings going up are co-ops and condos and rentals in general are decreasing. So half of everyone in the 5 boroughs can afford $1,200 a month and there is hardly any housing in that price range for half of the population of New York, so approx 3.5 million people. That’s a BIG problem. It is all greed. Money, money and more money. Shame on us all.

    • JEng

      Here you go – cheaper apartments in Queens:

      http://queens.backpage.com/rentals/

      If a dishwasher/new immigrant can find an apartment in Queens after arguing with his wife, there must be options out there for those earning more than a dishwasher:

      http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20141205/corona/woman-stabbed-death-domestic-dispute-corona-police-say

      And I have emailed politicians about the fact that there are listings on the Chinese and Korean language internet indicating that there are apartments begging for tenants in Brooklyn and Queens and even in Chinatown Manhattan (illegal sublets) and yes, I called them to check.

      • Charles Dale

        I looked at the first link and out of the 12 apartment listed for today (Dec.9), 4 met the criteria of $1,200 a month or less. One was for $850 a month for a 3 bedroom in Astoria (must be for one of the bedrooms so roommates I would think), 1 was for $800 a month for a 1 bedroom in Astoria (sounds to good to be true but possible), the third one was for $900 a month in Pawling, NY (it did say roommates) and one was for $1,200 a month for a studio in Jamaica Hills.

        The dishwasher in Queens article was that he murdered his estranged wife and it said it was in her building so they lived separately it appears.

        As for Chinatown Manhattan (illegal sublets) are they safe? I also would not want to chance living in them since you may get evicted if the buildings dept. of New York finds out and tells you that you can’t live there since it is an illegal sublet and then you would have to move (risky). So there is some hope, not much, for affordable housing.

        • JEng

          It’s a listing of all apartments not filtered to just 1200 just as all apartments on craigslist would include the rarefied spendy ones. You do your own filter okay?

          • Charles Dale

            I know it’s a listing of all apartments but in my original post, I stated that the median income of an individual in all 5 boroughs is $51,100 a year so from that, a person making that income would be able to afford $1,200 a month based on the principle that a person should spend no more than 30% of their income on housing. Therefore, if the link to the listings you provided were to apts. where the cheapest one listed was $2,000, it would prove my point that there is no affordable housing for the median income of all 5 boroughs and that half of the population of New York (approx. 3.5 million people) affordable housing can not be found. I used the criteria of $1,200 a month based on the median income of New Yorkers.

    • JEng

      The government should lower property taxes on regulated buildings.

      • Charles Dale

        Agreed. The apartment complex that I live in is trying to get the property taxes that they pay lowered.

        • JEng

          Are they going to be subject to the Pied De Terre tax?

          • Charles Dale

            Unknown, I would have to ask the head of the co-op board since he would know that answer. The three buildings in my complex are 70% shareholders and 30% renters.

    • Marc

      Let there be free markets and rents are more likely to go down. Your neighbor doesn’t have to live where he cannot afford. The public has no obligation to have government tax us to subsidize him. If you care so much then go around and raise money to take care of him. He can move into a nice condo in Florida for under $50,000 and own it. Your point made is beyond ridiculous. It’s insane as most liberals tend to be.

      • Charles Dale

        Really Marc? Did you read the article, where in Los Angeles California, BEFORE rent stabilization laws were enacted, people were getting rent increases 3,4,5 times A YEAR? After rent stabilization laws were enacted, this practice STOPPED. They interviewed people that were living in California before rent stabilization laws and are still living there and the people say it is more affordable now since the laws were enacted.

        It is not just my neighbor, it is several people, among the 3 buildings that have been living in New York all their lives. They can only live in these buildings because of SCRIE and the fact they have rent stabilized apts. Let’s see you have an income of $1,200 a month from Social Security and have about $5,000 in savings, lived in the same building for 40 years and afford to move to Florida and buy the condo for under $50,000. You income alone would disqualify you and you would not even have enough money to move where you never lived, do not know anyone and have no family there. This scenario is true of many older people I talk to. They would not be able to afford the apts. they have without rent stabilized apts. and SCRIE.

        My point is point is FAR from ridiculous. It is based on the article on rent stabilized apts. in Los Angeles California and having talked to many tenants over the past 30 years.

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