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Make the Fulton Street Fish Market a public space: OPINION

Opponents of a residential tower and mall want to see a market or school on Pier 17
August 01, 2014 04:00PM

The city should preserve as a public space the old Fulton Fish Market site, where the Texas-based Howard Hughes Corporation wants to build a mall and apartment tower, write opponents of that plan in a New York Times editorial.

The area has seen too much retail consume the area’s history, according to New Amsterdam Market board members Paul Greenberg and Roland Lewis and Joan K. Davidson, chair of the Hudson Fulton Champlain Quadricentennial Commission.

The trio would like to see the city give a permanent spot on Pier 17 to the New Amsterdam Market, a weekly gathering of small and mid-sized food and fish vendors at the historic New Market Building. The writers also suggest building a public school or a sport and commercial fishing port.

The founder of the New Amsterdam Market, Rober LaValva, recently threw in the towel. The market has clashed with Howard Hughes at least since 2012, when LaValva declined the developer’s offer to move into the Pizzeria Uno building on Pier 17. [NYT]Tom DiChristopher


    Really??? And WHO is paying the $125MM+ cost of the Pier and for restoration of the New Market and Tin Buildings???? The city needs to invest that money in desperately needed schools for the burgeoning Financial District and not on creating “markets”. So is you have a REAL idea on how the private sector can come up with the money to pay for these improvements without a tower then by all sans let us know because that idea was not in this Op Ed piece.

    • Who is paying? The rich assholes who have ruined this city.

      • DTNYC

        Nice response, this is why your side is losing. Please tell us WHO will put up the money to fix the piers without anything in return or let us know what they can be given in return that doesn’t involve a tower at the site. If you have a great workable idea you’ll have lots of people on your side including me, but alas you have none.

        • Increase income taxes on salaries of $250,000; increase property tax on residences with part-time occupancy; increase minimum wage laws to bring more taxpayers into a revenue generating salary threshold; stock transfer tax; increase luxury goods sales tax; institute congestion pricing; increase parking tax; increase capital gains tax. All of these would provide valuable revenue streams the city could use to fund open space and plenty of other improvements. The problem isn’t a lack of a plan, the problem is the institutionalized system of power based around money hijacking democracy.

          • DTNYC

            I’m all for increasing the minim wage and for congestion pricing (not the other things though). that said, that doesn’t solve the problem. NY has many pressing things to use additional revenue for and should not (and they will not) spend $125MM on rebuilding a rotting pier and two building about to collapse on themselves. Provide a plan FOR THIS specific site. For now, the only viable option is to allow an income generating property on the site that pays for the work that needs to be done. If not, it will just site there and rot as the neighborhood grows all around it. We, as residents, don’t want that.

          • Public space is for the public use, not for private enterprise to turn a profit and give over a nominal fee for the privilege. The last decade has converted every public space in the city into some new form of “revenue generation” which has really meant generating private profit with public resources. Increasing revenue generation from the richest New Yorkers (and on a national level, richest Americans) will fund the basic quality of life issues Americans once expected and still deserve.

          • DTNYC

            I admire your passion but this is irrelevant. They are NOT increasing taxes on the rich to pay for this pier. We want the Tin Building restored (and raised and moved to comply with the new post sandy building codes). For now there is only one real plan to do this and we wait for anyone else to present something better. The silent majority approves of this plan. Reference the recent polling. I also speak to a lot of my neighbors and there is near unanimity in supporting the HHC plan BUT getting a s much in return as possible whether it is full support of the SSS Museum, new school space, new community space, etc.

          • You asked who would pay for the pier without a tower. There is an answer, its just not an answer very popular with the people who have bought and paid for city government. There is no silent majority, only a wealthy minority consisting of real estate interests pulling de Blasio’s puppet strings and financial gangsters buying democracy at all levels to standing in the way of progressive tax policies.